I think Nick Der Leek does an outstanding job because he cleverly reviewed the case in its entirety and was able to provide spot on the mental makeup of both Chris and Shannan beginning with being unequally yoked. Watts, a 33-year-old Colorado oil worker, killed his wife, Shanann, who was 15 weeks pregnant, along with his two daughters aged three and four on August 13, 2018. If Shanann was a horrible person to some it doesn't mean she killed her children when so much premeditation seems to be at hand. Is R58 a ped-o? Shanann Watts was 15 weeks pregnant, and appeared to be happily married, according to Atkinson. R78 You're probably not nearly as bad as you think you are. Police are expected to release further details on Monday, when formal charges are announced. Bella, Celeste and Shanann Watts (credit CBS) "Our daughter watched her husband kill her," Sandy . He has changed. Ill never get tired of speculating about her Munchhausens. Sounds like he was interested in counseling but she wasn't really into it, I'm guessing. He was taken into custody late Wednesday, and on Thursday police discovered the bodies of Shanann, Celeste and Bella at an oil drilling field where Watts worked as an operator for Anadarko. Husband had crazy eyes. Negligence. Chris was broken LONG before he met Shanann. Chris Watts. He knows his wife is in CONSTANT contact with her friends. Where does the need to reinforce someones mistake come from? R194, the Murder Rap Sesh lady interviewed Candice Cans Nantz, who claims to have dated Chris on and off for two years in NC. site without all this bureaucratic nonsense, R59: Why is there a photo of a black woman and child on the shelf? R136. Text messages obtained in a Freedom of Information Act request by the Daily Mail show Shanann Watts was trying to save her marriage in the weeks before her husband, Chris Watts, murdered her and her two daughters. She was not confrontational and more withdrew. She did everything to come across as the perfect, crunchy-earthy, cool progressive lesbian mom. No wonder murder seemed like a reasonable option. I wish I hadn't read that final interview with the murderer. R147: Shannan was not any of those things. She spent every minute thanking God and taking care of her precious gift that the Lord had blessed her with. See home details for 19398 Hathaway Ln and find similar homes for sale now in Warrensville Heights, OH on Trulia. But nonetheless I still feel Chris killed the children. I would love to see a list that leads to Premeditated Murder. Interestingly, she (allegedly) dated Chris, and was supposed to tak about what he was like, but all she talked about was Shabann. Made disparaging remarks about the size and decor of others homes and cars. This sub is for factual information, mourning, and speculative discussion only - no harassment of the victims or family members. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Watts_family_murders, Shanann Cathryn Watts, (grave marker states Shanann Rzucek), 34 and daughters Bella Marie Watts, 4 and Celeste Cathryn Watts, 3 and unborn son Nico Lee of Frederick, Colorado, died on Thursday, August 16, 2018 (obituary states August 16th, graver marker reads August 13th). HEARTBREAKING images show the soiled clothing and underwear mother Shanann Watts was wearing when she was brutally murdered by her husband alongside her two daughters. LEONARDs current wife, dabbled in Thrive, which was the same employment as SHANANN WATTS. American Murder: The Family Next Door quickly brings viewers inside the world of the Watts family, thanks in a huge part to pictures, posts, and videos from Shanann Watts' social media pages.After introducing the mother of two and her family via clips of holidays and other family moments, the documentary drops a bombshell on viewers: In May of 2018, Shanann revealed to her husband, Chris Watts . Of course we can say nice things about her, too. 1. The interview took place in the prison where Watts is . At first, Watts' husband, Chris Watts, agreed to TV interviews, where he appeared torn up over their disappearance and begged for their safe return. But DL is the only forum that doesn't immediately shut down even the slightest criticism of this woman. True R63. And, the deceased woman's mother did, as well? Chris Watts was charged with the murders of Shanann and their daughters Bella and Celeste on Aug. 21, 2018. Not that he should have killed them, but she was a cunt to him and then when she realized he wasnt going to take it anymore, she backpedaled furiously. Maybe if he'd convinced a judge that Shan'ann was a dishonest grifter he would have succeeded. Guaranteed she didnt make enough to support herself, she needed Chris pay to keep her illusion going. The Watts family murders occurred in Frederick, Colorado, United States, during the early morning hours of August 13, 2018. I still find this case fascinating. R122 Well, what is your standard? This is sweet as well. Im sure NK wasnt blaming everything on some imaginary disease (yes, I know lupus is REAL, but Shanann didnt have it). unless you was there, and Im sure you wasnt. The women next to her in that pic are just fatter. What a fucking nightmare! The only other option would have been for Chris to be full-time parent. We never had to go to the ER together. teacher harriet voice shawne jackson; least stressful physician assistant specialties; grandma's marathon elevation gain; describe key elements of partnership working with external organisations; A Funeral Mass will be held 1PM on Saturday, September 1st 2018 at Sacred Heart Roman Catholic Church in Pinehurst with Rev. The real drama would have begun when lawyers and judges began digging in Shan'ann's finances, and discovered she was lying. Lupus usually involves disease and loss of major organs. If you look at his fb page, shes still on his friends list. Oh to be a remotely attractive straight white man. Please enable JavaScript in your browser's settings to use this part of Geni. But after ringing their doorbell and getting no answer, then seeing Shanann's white Lexus in the garage, Nickole called him. Police footage shows the . Like Bunnika. "Her car is here but she's not at home. She was not confrontational and more withdrew.#ShanannWatts #ChrisWattschris watts, true crime, true crime history, watts crime, watts family, cece watts, bella watts, tori hartman, chris watts history, chris watts timeline, live video, cbs news, colorado man. Even with a high-interest, low-limit card available to bankrupt consumers, they wouldnt be able to afford the airfares to NC for their summer trip! Why does everyone on this thread seem so willing to badmouth a victim none of you have met? But then it was built up with more McMansions pretty quickly, though. I dont have anything bad to say about her non-scam job at a call center in a childrens hospital. Maybe it was a neat and tidy rule. However, she fell oddly silent after the post on August 9 at around 11.46pm, which showed the plastic doll lying shrouded on a leather loveseat. But I do view him as a victim. There were rumors that she was banging her boss, Hisham. There was never an investigation in the case, therefore its impossible to know who killed Shanann or the little girls. You seem to like the psychopath label. The community of Frederick, Colorado and the entire nation was horrified when Chris killed his entire family in August 2018. Chris was a real bore, apparently. The Mead, CO explosion occured a year before the Watts murders. Become a contributor - post when you want with no ads. Likely when Chris did the same thing to her she may have had some insight into herself, that this is what happened with Leonard, which caused her to try her hardest to get Chris to talk to her. If he had killed Sham'ann before she was pregnant and left the kids alive, he wouldve had a chance at pleading temp insanity. No college degree, working as a manager of a tire/rim shop, builds a gigantic house. He said that she used it constantly when he knew her and she was very well attached to it. My god, as much as I cannot stand Shannan, Jennifer and Sarah Hart were much worse! I dont know what kind of insurance they had, but wow. Not even once. Stealing the kids identities? She would terrify me. Because how dare murdered, discarded toddlers not be beautiful. LEONARD said that people liked SHANANN. He should have snapped and just taken off. Everyones awful. Shanann was still very good friends with her ex husbands mother too. 05:02 GMT 17 Aug 2018 Imagine giving up coffee, snacks, trivial shit -- all to save money, only to come home to the latest $10,000 shipment of Lularoe "inventory". Fact: Hisham was married and had children when Shanann worked there. Its endlessly fascinating. Chris Watts has not been officially charged, with the deadline for them to be filed on Monday afternoon. The real victims of this horrendous crimes are the wee girls, may their souls rest in peace. She wanted the large house. strangled daughters, megyn kelly, shan ann watts post, https://reachableshop.com/https://www.instagram.com/reachableshop/Shanann Watts ex husband Leonard King - Speaking about their relationshiphttps://youtu.be/2MgUoKut3Us I think he did the world a favor by offing her. The underlying issues can be difficult to fully define, and for some, may take several years/ repeat doctor visits. Unless theres a strong family history and a red flag symptom, no one that age has a fucking colonoscopy. He just doesnt. A Funeral Mass will be held 1PM on Saturday, September 1st 2018 at Sacred Heart Roman Catholic Church in Pinehurst with Rev. No doubt he snapped. A big fat scene to get away from the MIL, complete with an ultimatum. I'm not going to bother researching Colorado's rules. All until they were diagnosed w/asthma then Shanann w/ her neck surgery which out of pockets 25,000. ^^ he would excuse her cunty behavior by saying she was having a bad day but it happened all the time. I would love to hear about shanann's personality from her call center colleagues. Someone who was asking for a murderous rage. He had already been contacted by NBC News. Chris clearly has the right to sue Le-Vel. Press question mark to learn the rest of the keyboard shortcuts, https://www.forbisanddick.com/obituaries/Arie-King/#!/Obituary. Hello. Identity is an interesting thing. Shannan loved her husband. Watts likely justified to himself (wrongly, of course) their murders based on this. The ex states Shanann states she left because domestic violence. A friends wife hugged and kissed Chris and Shanann forbade them from socializing with that couple again. shanann watts first marriage shanann watts first marriage (No Ratings Yet) . R135, the timing of the name change seems to perfectly coincide with her fleeing from North Carolina and the Shan'annigens she had been involved in there. I didnt like her at all, I basically agree with half the folks on here in that she was an attention seeking, materialistic, annoying AF Frau. Two years later, he is housed at Dodge Correctional Institution, a maximum-security prison, in Waupun, Wisconsin. Nichol Kessinger and Chris Watts started speaking at work in June 2018, and by July 2018, the pair had started a romantic relationship. Then lived there as long as she could before filing bankruptcy. I need you to meet me halfway. Their last hours were terrifying & uncomfortable & their deaths were neither quick or painless. Maybe thats how she could afford to get manicures while their finances were in the shitter. Saw a new video today about Shan'annigan's 4,000 sf starter home in NC that she fled from, leaving most everything in there behind. SHANANN was in high school when LEONARD first met her. Lucky for these scammers theres HIPAA. That is a comment that should never have been said; parenthood is exhausting and social media never forgives human missteps. FFS, asthma is not so elusive and rare that several doctors over two years failed to recognize it. From the more than 2000 page discovery file published by the DA months ago. They seem pale and fought lookingnot fat, but just a bit slack, unfocused and just unhealthy. He's remarried with children; and also suffered the devastating loss of his younger brother in 2016. For anyone who hasn't read it here's his CBI interview copied/pasted directly from the Discovery: CBI Agent GALBRAITH interviewed LEONARD KING by phone on 08/15/2018. I'm not R147 but the first 3 seem to fit R150. When their marriage was not going so well, SHANANN poured herself into work, worked a lot and stopped coming home at night. I knowMARY! Thank you so much, Your email address will not be published. As r47 says, this case is chock-full of CHARACTERS. I thought it was very telling of Scam'Ann's personality: SHE, and she alone, will lord over the money; yet, she was such a financial liability that her name wasn't even on the house (and I'm assuming the mortgage.). Im R39, so just to add - one of the most pathetic things about this case is Chris saying we never go on hikes.. Shananns husband, Chris Watts, 33, can be heard singing in the background.". click ACCEPT. That's an interesting piece of information. Shanann Watts ex husband Leonard King - Speaking about their relationshiphttps://youtu.be/2MgUoKut3UsLEONARD agreed to share my contact information with his wife for her to call, if she knew anything about SHANANN, possibly through Thrive. The man had the foresight of a gnat and zero sympathy, let alone empathy, for others. I had no idea it was that much! lts only one way emotions and feelings. R19, my mistake. The Rzucek's Say They Loved Chris At First. Shes the most interesting one, isnt she? She then went to work in Charlotte, NC for a middle eastern guy that owned a tire and wheel business called Dirty South. Jesus. I agree CBH. murdered both kids, killing the one though she fought him, I think it's safe to say he wasn't interested in being a parent AT ALL. This explains why he had both female AND male secret lovers. I dont know who he is, she texted a friend on Aug. 7, 2018. Anyway, its amazing that theres another chapter to this story; I wonder what the CO investigators could have possibly flown out to Wisconsin to hear, or what Chris could possibly think is big enough to have them come out there for. Im linking the other active DL thread (focused on Chris Watts) below. R220, did you see that house? And she DID turn the kids against Chris. He had already been contacted by NBC News. Another person she was using? According to Shananns mother, the surgery on her neck cost them $100. She had sold her mansion in NC after they hightailed it outta there, in a hurry. Thank you for posting it! Watts was sentenced to life in prison without the possibility of parole. I remember she mentioned in her video discussing this time period she portrayed herself as a hard worker that put him through school. Colorado doesnt care if a spouse is cheating. Even after she moved to CO and was a married mother. No, but the evidence to support it is in the discovery, R261. Chris Watts ultimately confessed to strangling 34-year-old Shanann, who was 15 weeks pregnant with a boy, and then smothering 3-year-old Celeste. This YouTube channel has tons of Shan'ann's Facebook Live videos where she's blathering about those sketchy Thrive products. She talked in one of her videos that Chris accompanied her to a colonoscopy as one of their first dates. The pregnant mother and . This is a good thread! R222 everybody was exaggerating the crap out of their income and assets when applying for loans back then and getting away with it. Shanann's husband, Chris Watts, 33, can be heard singing in the background." . R181 what was the friends account of her? He probably knew that already. That's twice a year every year for 10 years. Spot on r147. And everything is LUPUS. First of all, its doubtful a 100k surgery, or whatever, resulted in a 25k debt. So all around, it would have been a lose-lose. Why would you bury your dead wife only a foot and a half underground? Okay. No wonder Chris was amazed with NK. Chris would have been on the hook for everything. Interview with Leonard King, Shan'ann Watts' Ex-Husband [47th Tranche], TRUE CRIME ROCKET SCIENCE Visit the post for more. Its crazy & I just dont understand it. And no one to root for except those poor kids. John Forbes officiating. What evidence is there that Shanann was making up her diagnosis of Lupus, whether or not she was "a hypochondriac and OCD"? I would wager that no gay here appreciates that type of reasoning when it goes against your own practices ( as on forums where it's said, they make that choice, nothing excuses it). Chris even said to the investigators at one point: Bellas a smart girl, she knew what was going on. Has there ever been a more inept family killer? She was a grifter with her buddy Hashem. ^ to be fair, Trent Bolte has them all beat in the crazy department. Wife of Christopher Lee (Chris) Watts and Private And Im pretty sure Colorado wouldve ruled that Shanann couldnt use her kids as props in any more public Thrive videos. Considering how Shanann gained the confidence of others and used them, I have no doubt she wouldve alienated the girls against Chris. She would have freakouts where hed have to drop everything to console her. Watts' wife was 15 weeks pregnant. Why cant people see this? They filed for chapter 7 BK in 2015 too, same year as the Watts. I listened to the RedHanded podcast posted upthread. Daughter of Private and Private Hello. This community exists to discuss the murders of the Watts family and the subsequent arrest of Chris Watts. I asked about SHANANNs skills in conflict resolution. That wasnt a real work trip, it was a boondoggle to cavort with her fat friends. Dont forget Primrose Academy the girls $500 a week pre-school. Probably. He is now Assistant Public Defender Leonard T. King in Laurinburg, NC.The day Chris confessed to her murder, Shananns ex-husband spoke with police and told them the following about their marriage. Chris and Shanann met in 2010 in their home state of North Carolina and got married on Nov. 3, 2012. He saw no way out of the disastrous mess ( bossy shrew wife with hypochondria, destroying them financially and alienating the children from him while destroying their characters). Husband Christopher Watts, 33, is being held without bail, and faces three counts of murder and three counts of interfering with evidence. Dont get me started on this grifty broad. Is Colorado NOT a no-fault divorce state? 06:51 GMT 17 Aug 2018. However his mistress and HER boyfriend (Jim Gotuski), should also be in prison for the rest of THEIR lives. LEONARD reported that he and SHANANN married in 2002/2003 and divorced in 2007/2008 in SC. Do you know where she's at?" On August 13, 2018, Colorado father Chris Watts murdered his pregnant wife, Shanann Watts, and their two daughters, 4-year-old Bella and 3-year-old Celeste. She would have received spousal support but there is a time limit on that. If so she more recently passed away as well at only 33 and leaving their 6 year old with neither mom or dad just tragic https://www.forbisanddick.com/obituaries/Arie-King/#!/Obituary. And it was mostly consumer debt, no? I haven't seen a single post on DL or anywhere else demanding that Chris "should go free" (tasteless DL bitcherous joking aside) for any reason whatsoever. Shanann Watts ex husband Leonard King - (Speaking about their relationship)https://reachableshop.com/https://www.instagram.com/reachableshop/Before ShanannWatts married #ChrisWatts, She was previously married to Leonard T. King, an attorney who was formerly with Arthur M. Blue Law Offices, P.A. He had already been contacted by NBC News. John Forbes officiating. Following the disappearance of Chris' wife, Shanann Watts, and the couple's two children from a small Denver suburb in 2018, a major police hunt ensued. This baby in my belly deserves his full love, she texted her friend, who had advised her to go through Chris phone for signs of infidelity. By You live in Colorado and you dont go on hikes? Pediatricians screen for it as a matter of course. He assumed that SHANANN kept her policy and would have changed the beneficiary. It looks like they plopped a development in the middle of nowhere. R145, youre right about that. He definitely deserves life in prison - what he did was disgusting. They owed Toys R Us a shitload of money. But Good Lord - Cassie and Josh MOVE IN? Her story is that of the majority of bisexual men living a lie. And worse he crushed his own murdered childrens skulls through a narrow opening into an oil drum. I would love to have a conjugal visit Chris Watts! The documentary, entitled American Murder: The Family Next Door, began streaming on September 30. Divorced and hanging out at da club promoting the rim shop. 'I dont know what to think about this' Shanann wrote above the photo, adding two laughing-tears emojis. R58 even sounds offended that they don't meet his standards for child attractiveness. [quote]However, anyone who devotes MONTHS to harping on how annoying a dead woman was when she was alive, has all the screws loose. She did not "purchase" any house. From her sketchy past and grifting ways, to the possible Munchausen Syndrome or Factitious Disorder, to the MLM scheme she was knee-deep in, to her dozens of vapid Facebook livestreams and Instagram posts now eternally available for public consumption and dissection, to her manipulation of "friends" and family, it's evident she was at best a woman desperate to appear more successful than she was ever capable of being, and at worst, a straight up con woman. Easy to say in retrospect I suppose. He was locked up within 48 hours. a loan to build this house? Like an entire store's worth. She was our pride and joy, a true gift from God. At home they would be in different rooms and she was always too busy for what LEONARD had going on. Please click here to update your account with a username and password. And nursing school, befriending nurses and working in a childrens hospital? A live stream of the service will be provided on the Boles Funeral Homes & Crematory Facebook Page. The cops never made her google searches public, but i am guessing she did a LOT of searches on her milquetoast co-workers, looking for just the right pigeon to pluck. But the whole "act of passion" angle doesn . After several days of publicly protesting that he had not seen his wife or daughters after leaving for work on Monday, Watts broke down and confessed to the murders on Wednesday, police said. Also thought they were killed before Shanann got home and so never knew mommy was dead. For the kind of woman Shannon was, she wouldnt have just given up on her two children even if Chris had left. I bet those bitches have some stories to tell. Being fascinated by all this doesn't mean we want to FREE CHRIS or Shan'ann DESERVED TO DIE, let alone the two innocents. L Lynda Pringle 2 followers More information Interview with Leonard King, Shan'ann Watts' Ex-Husband [47th Tranche] Fairy Garden Diy Ex Husbands True Crime Leonard Watts Interview Anne Family Quick More information . Shanann Watts, 34, and her two children Bella, 3, and. The following day, Chris spoke with local media outlets from . Would you know my name if I saw you thriving in heaven? 19398 Hathaway Ln, Warrensville Heights, OH 44122 was recently sold on 08-18-2022 for $164,000. He admitted to that. https://www.wltx.com/article/news/slain-mom-2-daughters-had-been-in-sc-just-weeks-before-their-deaths/101-585544417, Was just being nosey and googling, do you think this is the same Arie King in N.C? Only they know, but I bet that is the case. A Ryan Murphy miniseries on this needs to happen. He was sentenced Monday to. LOL. There is never a good enough reason to do what he did. I think he was planning to make it look like an accident, that Shanann Wayts came out looking for him, to confront him about his affair maybe. And did she legally change it? Go back to your thoughts and prayers and handwringing over how things like this can happen, while never trying to actually make sense of it beyond coming to the conclusion of CRAZY. Here is a entertaining video of hausfraus selling Luluroe via MLM. Specially after they are both dead! Shanann was running another scam, Im positive. And even during the confession, he still doesnt seem to feel bad for the two little girls. I also think she used her physical hardships once again to play on his sympathies, sort of like a book of struggles, but he had already turned a deaf ear. Authorities still do not know exactly what led Chris who was having an affair with a co-worker to kill his whole family that fateful morning, after which he went on TV news to plead for her safe return.". Covert Narcissist are incapable of real love and learn early on to mimic. I'll be back. to brutally cutting off their air supply & feeling nothing as they grunt and move around under the Yankees blanket struggling to breathe? document.getElementById( "ak_js_1" ).setAttribute( "value", ( new Date() ).getTime() ); Your email address will not be published. to which CW sensibly says "there's no bringing them back. It does seem like a few people are looking to justify her murder so that they don't feel guilty about their attraction to Chris, seriously--but I'm assuming it's mostly tongue in cheek, since even if you can feel sympathy for someone snapping and killing a bitchy frau, there's the two innocent children and all r29 I believe Chris only made 60k/year and Shan'ann MAYBE made anither 30k with the Thrive! However, anyone who devotes MONTHS to harping on how annoying a dead woman was when she was alive, has all the screws loose. That was the elusive diagnosis that put them in debt this time. 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